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I was really excited about all the new opportunities to make music having my very own place would bring me. I was lucky enough to find an abandoned church in the small town where I live. I leased the building so that I could turn it into a studio.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><span class=\"s1\">The only problem was that I had only made a handful of recordings before renovating and moving my gear inside. I knew how to use all of the major features of Pro Tools, and my MOTU 896 MKIII interface, but experience is what I lacked. I also had no real training in how to tune or mic drums. I placed the mics until they looked like what I had seen in pictures and videos I had watched on youtube. \u00a0<\/span><span class=\"s2\">I <\/span><span class=\"s1\">finished that first recording and began mixing it, and during the process I would listen back to my tracks on headphones, earbuds and in the car<\/span><span class=\"s2\">\u00a0to get the feel for how it sounded different speakers.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>For reference<\/span><span class=\"s1\"> I would listen to bands that sounded similar in style to the artist I had recorded. My drums were nothing like the drums on those other records. <\/span><span class=\"s2\">The we<\/span><span class=\"s1\"> small, thin, weak, and lacked character. They didn&#8217;t seem to even fit what the guitars were doing in the song either. (here&#8217;s the very first recording I did in my studio)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"An Interruption in Entropy by Of The Spheres\" width=\"640\" height=\"150\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/www.reverbnation.com\/widget_code\/html_widget\/artist_3421265?widget_id=55&#038;pwc[song_ids]=20788666&#038;pwc[size]=small\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><span class=\"s1\">Mixing<\/span><span class=\"s2\"> the 6 songs I recorded with that band was a nightmare, and it didn&#8217;t turn out well at all. But, making that EP was the start of something great. Because when I finished I decided I was going to learn everything I could about recording drums so that I could improve. I read once that \u201ca good drum recording is the backbone of a mix.\u201d That is exactly what I set out to do, learn how to make a drum recording that felt like it supported the song. However, this new goal lead to a lot of frustrations for a couple of years. I bought an sold dozens of microphones, snare drums, and entire drum sets. I\u2019ve tried every drum tuning device on the market, and for a long time, experimented with a different type of drum head with each new recording I made. My first real <\/span><span class=\"s1\">breakthroughs\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"s2\">started almost a year ago. I stumbled across Produce Like a Pro and saw <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=nNGKKiJJrXM\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Warren at Sunset Sound<\/span><\/a> showing how he <\/span><span class=\"s1\">mic&#8217;d\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"s2\">up the drums.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/nNGKKiJJrXM\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><span class=\"s1\"> I <\/span><span class=\"s2\">imitated\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"s1\">a few of Warren\u2019s ideas from that video and a few others and applied to my own setup. The biggest difference obviously was that I didn&#8217;t have a console and all the outboard EQ\u2019s and Compressors, but I did have a really nice custom built set of drums, from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.7drums.net\/\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">7Drums<\/span><\/a>, and I had some decent microphones <\/span><span class=\"s2\">and a my<\/span><span class=\"s1\"> studio has a 30\u2019 x 50\u2019 room that I use for drum recording. I made the best of what I had and kept trying to improve. The second really big improvement came when I started working for Produce Like a Pro and Pro Mix Academy in November of 2016 <\/span><span class=\"s2\">as a video editor<\/span><span class=\"s1\">. <\/span><span class=\"s2\">My first assignment was editing the<\/span><span class=\"s1\"> Premium course \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/pmaproducts.net\/producing-and-mixing-at-echobar-studios\/\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Producing and<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Mixing Music at Echo Bar<\/span><\/a>.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/9SlyfENlWaY\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\" style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"> At the beginning of that tutorial you watch Ross the Drum Dr. tune up the drums all by feel and ear. It\u2019s amazing. I still had several gadgets and gizmos that I was trying to use, but seeing that pushed me to want to experiment more with tuning. Also in that course Bob and Erik mic the kit and show their complete signal flow for tracking and break down the EQ moves that they use when capturing the drums. One of the stand out moments for me was hearing the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lewitt-audio.com\/products\/microphones\/dtp-percussion\/dtp-640-rex\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"> Lewitt REX 640<\/span><\/a> kick drum mic. <\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]<span class=\"s1\" style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">This is a kick drum mic that has both a dynamic and condenser element lined up at the front of the mic. It sounded really fantastic. I immediately went out and bought that microphone and a year later, it\u2019s still my go to to kick drum mic, and it replaced a Shure Beta 52 and Audix D6 for me. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><span class=\"s1\">The Third breakthrough in my recordings came from the <a href=\"https:\/\/pmaproducts.net\/recording-drums-with-matt-weiss\/\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">course <\/span><\/a><\/span><span class=\"s2\">featuring<\/span><span class=\"s1\"> Matthew Weiss from the Pro Audio Files. In this course on recording drums, Matthew has a very lengthy section on overheads and room mics. I can remember texting back and forth with him almost daily while editing the course because of the excitement I had to go and try out the mic positions he was demonstrating. This brings me to today. Today I record drums with a lot more confidence than I did 4 years ago. When it comes time to mix a song, it\u2019s far less frustrating and I no longer feel that my drums are small thin and weak.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/eHsLS8TLfio\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\" style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Currently I use either Oktava MC-012 small diaphragm condensers for my overheads or a pair of Lewitt LCT 640TS Large Diaphragm condenser. I position this mics above the kit and each mic is pointing straight down with the front of the capsule being anywhere from 46.5\u201d to 60\u201d from the center of the snare drum. My snare drum has a Shure Sm-57 on top and <\/span><span class=\"s1\" style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/recordinghacks.com\/microphones\/Audix\/i5\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Audix i5<\/span><\/a> on the bottom. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><span class=\"s1\" style=\"font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">My Toms get <a href=\"http:\/\/recordinghacks.com\/microphones\/Audix\/D2\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Audix<\/span> <span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">D2<\/span><\/a>\u2019s on top. 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